Comments on: Dear Environmental Organisations: You will not get one thin dime nor any of my time http://www.briangordon.ca/2009/12/dear-environmental-organisations-you-will-not-get-one-thin-dime-nor-any-of-my-time/ Go Local, Go Sustainable, Now Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:22:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: A Climate Activist is a Human Rights Activist, an Animal Rights Activist, an Environmentalist… — Go Green or Die http://www.briangordon.ca/2009/12/dear-environmental-organisations-you-will-not-get-one-thin-dime-nor-any-of-my-time/comment-page-1/#comment-113 A Climate Activist is a Human Rights Activist, an Animal Rights Activist, an Environmentalist… — Go Green or Die Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:24:53 +0000 http://www.briangordon.ca/?p=487#comment-113 [...] that climate change is a big problem, nobody wants to give up their piece of the pie. I slagged these groups elsewhere for this reason; egos and fear of losing their donations are making them insular. However, divided [...] [...] that climate change is a big problem, nobody wants to give up their piece of the pie. I slagged these groups elsewhere for this reason; egos and fear of losing their donations are making them insular. However, divided [...]

]]> By: No More Climate Debates — Go Green or Die http://www.briangordon.ca/2009/12/dear-environmental-organisations-you-will-not-get-one-thin-dime-nor-any-of-my-time/comment-page-1/#comment-56 No More Climate Debates — Go Green or Die Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:39:20 +0000 http://www.briangordon.ca/?p=487#comment-56 [...] time and amusing the deniers. In an earlier post, I blasted the environmental groups for having failed at their central mission – protecting the environment. Many readers thought I was being unnecessarily harsh, but the [...] [...] time and amusing the deniers. In an earlier post, I blasted the environmental groups for having failed at their central mission – protecting the environment. Many readers thought I was being unnecessarily harsh, but the [...]

]]> By: elasticsoul http://www.briangordon.ca/2009/12/dear-environmental-organisations-you-will-not-get-one-thin-dime-nor-any-of-my-time/comment-page-1/#comment-42 elasticsoul Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:29:58 +0000 http://www.briangordon.ca/?p=487#comment-42 “Is the world better or worse now than if there had been no environmental movement” Debatable. What if eco-groups had been effective from the beginning? Perhaps we would have a sustainable economy now. It is a fair argument that the eco-groups have prevented effective action by diverting people into useless rallies and vigils. "I would think that the solution, then, was to do *more*, not less." More of what is not working? No. Time to change strategy. Keep what has been shown to be effective, junk the rest, and figure out what will work. “Is the world better or worse now than if there had been no environmental movement”

Debatable. What if eco-groups had been effective from the beginning? Perhaps we would have a sustainable economy now. It is a fair argument that the eco-groups have prevented effective action by diverting people into useless rallies and vigils.

“I would think that the solution, then, was to do *more*, not less.”

More of what is not working? No. Time to change strategy. Keep what has been shown to be effective, junk the rest, and figure out what will work.

]]> By: Matt S http://www.briangordon.ca/2009/12/dear-environmental-organisations-you-will-not-get-one-thin-dime-nor-any-of-my-time/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Matt S Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:26:38 +0000 http://www.briangordon.ca/?p=487#comment-41 "I have had it with groups that supposedly want to save the planet. They are run by highly intelligent, clueless idiots. Perhaps the best indictment of their effectiveness is simply to look at the state of the planet they are allegedly trying to save: No honest person could say the Earth is in better shape now than it was when the eco-groups started more than 30 years ago." Sorry, but that is the wrong question. You wanted to ask "Is the world better or worse now than if there had been no environmental movement". And the answer is that it is much better. "The planet is more polluted, populated, deforested, desertified, fished-out, and generally raped and pillaged than ever, to the point that we are on the verge of civilisational collapse. Climate change is near terminal, and if that doesn’t get us (it will) we are running into Peak Everything." I would think that the solution, then, was to do *more*, not less. “I have had it with groups that supposedly want to save the planet. They are run by highly intelligent, clueless idiots. Perhaps the best indictment of their effectiveness is simply to look at the state of the planet they are allegedly trying to save: No honest person could say the Earth is in better shape now than it was when the eco-groups started more than 30 years ago.”

Sorry, but that is the wrong question. You wanted to ask “Is the world better or worse now than if there had been no environmental movement”. And the answer is that it is much better.

“The planet is more polluted, populated, deforested, desertified, fished-out, and generally raped and pillaged than ever, to the point that we are on the verge of civilisational collapse. Climate change is near terminal, and if that doesn’t get us (it will) we are running into Peak Everything.”

I would think that the solution, then, was to do *more*, not less.

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