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	<title>Comments on: The Morans Are Here; Idiocracy has Arrived</title>
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		<title>By: Truth by Consensus: CBC&#8217;s The National Not Obligated to Determine the Truth &#124; Political News and blogs on Stephen Harper, Canadian Politics and Voting on Informed Vote &#124; InformedVote.ca</title>
		<link>http://www.briangordon.ca/2009/12/the-morans-are-here-idiocracy-has-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth by Consensus: CBC&#8217;s The National Not Obligated to Determine the Truth &#124; Political News and blogs on Stephen Harper, Canadian Politics and Voting on Informed Vote &#124; InformedVote.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thing as objective truth. Several of the commenters wholeheartedly supported this view, which I mocked the lot of them for. It is amazing democracy has survived this long.  Let&#8217;s try again. I hold the belief that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thing as objective truth. Several of the commenters wholeheartedly supported this view, which I mocked the lot of them for. It is amazing democracy has survived this long.  Let&#8217;s try again. I hold the belief that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: elasticsoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>elasticsoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - Science is a means of determining facts (truths) about how the world works. I am talking of the physical sciences, where actual measurements can be taken, not the theoretical sciences. 

Science frequently discovers things that we then consider true. The Earth revolves around the sun, for example. This is a fact. It is true. If the CBC does a story about our solar system, they do not call up flat-earthers for their view. 

Another example is vaccines; science says there is no link between autism and vaccines, but many worried parents firmly believe there is. The CBC sticks with the science-backed position. They would not allow Rex Murphy to preach not &quot;Don&#039;t vaccinate your children,&quot; because that would be irresponsible and dangerous. 

I am asking that they do the same with climate change. The science is quite clear, and giving a denier a platform is dangerous and irresponsible. 

The idea that there are multiple sides to anything is not necessarily correct for science. If your doctor and hundreds of specialists tell you that you have cancer...that&#039;s an unfortunate truth. You really don&#039;t need some quack telling you cancer is a scam by the doctors to make money, and you don&#039;t need their treatments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; Science is a means of determining facts (truths) about how the world works. I am talking of the physical sciences, where actual measurements can be taken, not the theoretical sciences. </p>
<p>Science frequently discovers things that we then consider true. The Earth revolves around the sun, for example. This is a fact. It is true. If the CBC does a story about our solar system, they do not call up flat-earthers for their view. </p>
<p>Another example is vaccines; science says there is no link between autism and vaccines, but many worried parents firmly believe there is. The CBC sticks with the science-backed position. They would not allow Rex Murphy to preach not &#8220;Don&#8217;t vaccinate your children,&#8221; because that would be irresponsible and dangerous. </p>
<p>I am asking that they do the same with climate change. The science is quite clear, and giving a denier a platform is dangerous and irresponsible. </p>
<p>The idea that there are multiple sides to anything is not necessarily correct for science. If your doctor and hundreds of specialists tell you that you have cancer&#8230;that&#8217;s an unfortunate truth. You really don&#8217;t need some quack telling you cancer is a scam by the doctors to make money, and you don&#8217;t need their treatments.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Vroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Vroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to equate truth to science, and to a certain extent you would be correct in that science tries to uncover how things really function. But even in science we have learned that its not so easy. Read up on Schrödinger, Heisenberg a bit... or pick up a copy of Feynman&#039;s excellent &quot;QED&quot; 

However &quot;the truth&quot; is not something that a news organization should be trying to make judgments on (science doesn&#039;t judge in its search for truths). When news makes judgments on what side of a story to show to the exclusion of all others you get things like fox news who put forth the truth as they see it even though most rational people can see they are horribly biased. 

At least the CBC tries to do the honest thing and shows all sides even if they may not agree with them. Are you seriously arguing against journalistic fairness?  That seems to be what the author of the story wants to do.

I&#039;m not arguing (and never have) that I agree with the original story on the CBC that caused all this... I am arguing that they should continue to show all sides as fairly as possible and not be the arbiters of &quot;truth&quot;. Even when (especially when) we don&#039;t like what the other side is saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to equate truth to science, and to a certain extent you would be correct in that science tries to uncover how things really function. But even in science we have learned that its not so easy. Read up on Schrödinger, Heisenberg a bit&#8230; or pick up a copy of Feynman&#8217;s excellent &#8220;QED&#8221; </p>
<p>However &#8220;the truth&#8221; is not something that a news organization should be trying to make judgments on (science doesn&#8217;t judge in its search for truths). When news makes judgments on what side of a story to show to the exclusion of all others you get things like fox news who put forth the truth as they see it even though most rational people can see they are horribly biased. </p>
<p>At least the CBC tries to do the honest thing and shows all sides even if they may not agree with them. Are you seriously arguing against journalistic fairness?  That seems to be what the author of the story wants to do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing (and never have) that I agree with the original story on the CBC that caused all this&#8230; I am arguing that they should continue to show all sides as fairly as possible and not be the arbiters of &#8220;truth&#8221;. Even when (especially when) we don&#8217;t like what the other side is saying.</p>
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		<title>By: elasticsoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>elasticsoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - Against my better judgement, I approved your comment. Do you really think there is no such thing as truth, Mike? Do you reject: &quot;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal....&quot; If someone is holding you up at gunpoint, should we try to see it from the robber&#039;s point-of-view before deciding whether to  help you? 

But let&#039;s get back to science. Do you reject the link between smoking cigarettes and cancer that scientists have found? How about your car - it was designed by an engineer who you better hope held certain things to be true, like the tensile strength of steel. Or do you only disagree with inconvenient truths?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; Against my better judgement, I approved your comment. Do you really think there is no such thing as truth, Mike? Do you reject: &#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal&#8230;.&#8221; If someone is holding you up at gunpoint, should we try to see it from the robber&#8217;s point-of-view before deciding whether to  help you? </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s get back to science. Do you reject the link between smoking cigarettes and cancer that scientists have found? How about your car &#8211; it was designed by an engineer who you better hope held certain things to be true, like the tensile strength of steel. Or do you only disagree with inconvenient truths?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Vroom</title>
		<link>http://www.briangordon.ca/2009/12/the-morans-are-here-idiocracy-has-arrived/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Vroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only intellectual void revealed here is unfortunately between the ears of the author...

If you think truth is absolute and that there is no question about what is true then you are missing the point.  Heck the fact that we can even argue about the meaning of &quot;truth&quot; points to the fact that it is not the same from every perspective. 

Just look at the wikipedia article on truth and you will see there are several accepted theories out there about how to define truth.  If you have the key to total understanding on this issue you should write up a paper and collect your nobel prize now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only intellectual void revealed here is unfortunately between the ears of the author&#8230;</p>
<p>If you think truth is absolute and that there is no question about what is true then you are missing the point.  Heck the fact that we can even argue about the meaning of &#8220;truth&#8221; points to the fact that it is not the same from every perspective. </p>
<p>Just look at the wikipedia article on truth and you will see there are several accepted theories out there about how to define truth.  If you have the key to total understanding on this issue you should write up a paper and collect your nobel prize now.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Reddit by NoMoreNicksLeft: Sounds like an argument over semantics. How does this relate to /r/collapse?...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Reddit by NoMoreNicksLeft: Sounds like an argument over semantics. How does this relate to /r/collapse?&#8230;</p>
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